I had some problems with the interweb accesing the site today (using Internet Explorer…). Has anyone else experienced any problems? I even resorted to the tried and tested solution of restarting my computer before finally admiting defeat and downloading a new browser.
So anyway, this week I’ve mostly been thinking about football and the great injustices my team seems to suffer every week. Aside from that, I was also posed the following question.
Let’s say you have a person who has been baptised but doesn’t really live his baptism so to speak and who doesn’t really lead a good Christian life at all. And on the other hand you have someone who’s never been baptised, and who’s not even Christian perhaps, but who lives a good (for all intents and purposes) Christian life (without the worshipping God aspect…) but for whatever reason, has never seen it necessary to be baptised etc. Who then has the better chance of going to heaven?
I was under the impression that if someone knew of God and was given the chance to be baptised but then rejected it, that person does not then have any chance of enjoying a good afterlife? So of course I’m probably wrong here, as who knows how God’s mercy works, and how far living a good life gets you.
I was under the impression that if someone knew of God and was given the chance to be baptised but then rejected it, that person does not then have any chance of enjoying a good afterlife?
You don’t seriously expect us to believe that millions of Jews and Muslims, who knew of God and were given the chance to be baptised but then rejected it, do not have any chance of enjoying a good afterlife ?
I suppose I’d call that bizzare idea Christian Triumphalism.
It’s the kind of hugely damaging idea which drives millions away from the Christian faith.
Because it’s fundamentally at odds with Love and Mercy.
God Bless
MB
Good question.
If the person had the necessity of baptism adequately explained to them, and still rejected it, then its bad news I’m afraid. Original sin is original sin, and to attempt to downplay it in terms of salvation is to make a mockery of Christ and His Church.
However, if the person who was baptised ignored it (again assuming adequate formation here) then they to could be in danger. But, also we cannot know someone’s heart: all the Church can do is preach the truth.
We cannot forget the vision of the seers at Fatima and the exhortations of Mary. We cannot forget the efforts of Christ through the Divine Mercy.
When you really think of it, God is incredibly merciful given the ample justification humanity gives Him to sort us out.
we are judged by the light we have recieved (but cant find the vs?)
Christoher #1;”It’s the kind of hugely damaging idea which drives millions away from the Christian faith.”
Sometimes this the effect of the truth refer John 6 66
Would you change truth or change hearts?
Pray for mercy!
-Chirs-
Indeed none of us understands how God’s mercy works and I am sure that Methuselah was not saying there is no redemption for the Jews, Muslims or any other faith. On the other hand, even Christians like yourself, choose to turn from the teachings of Jesus which He entrusted to the Church. Selectively choosing -if not changing the ‘truth’- which the church stands for, to suit your ideas of how things should be. Perhaps it is people like yourself who drive millions away from the church. You seem to possess a talent/ ability to perpetually fill yourself with mostly incorrect information and spreading it to confuse other people concerning the Catholic faith.
We are commissioned to spread the Good News and to tell everyone to turn away from sin and repent and turn to God. Yet you seem to perpetuate the idea that we don’t need to repent. If there is no Divine Justice, then there is no need for Divine Mercy and yet we both know that Jesus did not come to earth to die in vain. Therefore we should repent ifonly in thanksgiving for the divine love and Mercy gifted us by Christ.
Where this is interesting the arguements are fundmentally futile. I think there is a biblical passage where Jesus berates those who try to ask Jesus about such speculation. The Bible is clear. Get baptised and lead a good life. Encourage others to do so. Leave the rest to the mercy of God. We have all we need for the promise of salvation.
LOL for giving Chris his new catch phrase trumpet blast “Catholic Triumphalism”, even if he has no idea how to apply what the original point was.
Firstly Chris, most Jews and Muslims havn’t had the opportunity to be baptised, and secondly if they have, and have rejected it already, I don’t think Catholic Triumphalism is going to drive them away from Christianity, given they have already rejected it.
But I agree that this is a silly thing to argue about, we will do what we can and the rest will be up to God’s Will.
Pax