Comments: 8

  1. Teresina October 15, 2013 at 8:44 pm

    Thanks for the post, Marty, that is indeed a good one and gives some reassurance.  There is so much happening within the Church at the moment that any good news uplifts the spirit.  

    Talking of things happening in the Church – locally, I have heard the rumour among the laity is that we are about to have an annoucement as to the new Bishop of Hamilton – speculation is rife that it is going to be Fr Mark Field.  I don't know anything about Fr Field except that I understand that he has spent two years in the US studying under Matthew Fox – the guru of creation spirituality: http://www.matthewfox.org/

    Can anyone shed any light on this?  Matthew Fox certainly aspires to the mystical but not in the way we know it.  He is an ex-Catholic priest who was removed from his order because he is a church dissident.  A post on Fr Z's blog says he is:

    "An Episcopal priest and "theologian"  [and we use that term loosely] who popularized the rave-like "Techno Cosmic Mass" and advocated goddess worship [Sounds like my seminary days.] recently led a seminar on mysticism and Earth spirituality to coincide with Earth Day. Warning that environmental degradation caused by raging against "Gaia" had to cease, the Rev. Matthew Fox [Remember him?!?] made frequent references to "the Goddess" and the divine feminine during his environmentally-themed lecture and workshop, "Earth Spirituality and the Mystical Tradition."

    You can read the rest here: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2010/05/matthew-fox-is-still-alive-and-is-still-an-idiot/

    This goddess worship derives from wicca which Matthew Fox draws on.  He freely admits to having employed a witch on his staff.

    Is this the kind of bishop we want for Hamilton or would we rather have a bishop who would draw on the pure fount of inspiration of Catholic sources, such as the angelic wisdom of St Thomas Aquinas or the mystical genius of St John of the Cross and St Teresa of Avila and others? 

     

  2. Teresina October 15, 2013 at 8:56 pm

    Confirmation on EWTN that there is indeed a witch on Matthew Fox's staff:

    "Miriam Simos (Starhawk) is a practicing witch on the staff of Matthew Fox's Institute for Culture and Creation Spirituality (ICCS). Her specialty is the teaching of ritual. Constance Cumbey calls her, "one of the world's most politically active and important witches. She is a high priestess in a major coven and has been [active] politically in both the witches/Neopagan movements as well as the feminist movement. She is a frequent speaker at New Age convocations and conferences."[24] Starhawk writes: "In the Craft, we do not believe in the Goddess—we connect with her; through the moon, the stars, the ocean, the earth, through trees, animals, through other human beings, through ourselves. She is here. She is within us all."[25]

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/FOX.HTM

  3. John Whyte October 15, 2013 at 9:28 pm

    Teresina,

    So far every rumour about the new bishop of Hamilton (both posted here and others that I have heard) have proven to be absolutely wrong.  

    I think the simple fact that no one has been announced means we certainly will not get a promotion from within the priestly ranks of this Diocease.  

    Fr Mark has been a priest for 6 years (from my memory of when his ordination is).  His tenure as priest has been assistant at the cathedral, then Rotorua.  

    If (and it is a big if) Fr Mark studied under Matthew Fox it wasn't whilst he was a priest.  I know he was a brother before entering the seminary and I didn't think the marists gave brothers time off to study.  

  4. John Whyte October 15, 2013 at 9:30 pm

    If you want to take my bet, my money is on the Feast of St Matthew Bishop Dennis retires, and Bishop Patrick Dunne remains bishop of Auckland but is also adjudicator (I think that's the term) of Hamilton also and appoints Mnsgr Bennett as his Vicar General.  

     

  5. Don the Kiwi October 15, 2013 at 10:30 pm

    I have also heard the rumour that Fr.mark is a nominee, and is being promoted by Bp. Denis. He was originally discounted, along with several other of the priests in the diocese. John is correct, in that Fr. Mark has been ordained for about 6 years, prior to which he was a Marist brother. I am not aware that he has done any study outside NZ.

    IMO. he is to young and has not had enough experience to be bishop, and I don't thinl he will be appointed – but who knows? It is up to the nuncio, and the Conference for Bishops in Rome. John may be on the money, but I don't think so. Msgr. david Bennett has been the Vicar General for the diocese for some years.

    It would not surprise me if Bp. Denis remains as bishop till early into the new year, and we may not get an appointment till March/April. Remember that even thought Bp. Denis requested retirement last year, his request has not yet been accepted. There are bishops in overseas dioceses who are in their 80's, due to their retirements not yet being accepted, pending new appointees. Hamilton is not the only diocese in the world awaiting a new bishop.

     

  6. Boanerges October 16, 2013 at 7:10 am

    Fr Mark is a wonderful man who ticks many boxes, but having already been through two rounds of consultation on electing a new Bishop, I am sure he has already been considered. His time will come in the future I am sure! All the signs point to an outsider coming in as the new Bishop. This is probably for the best as there is a need for a fresh leadership style to resolve some of the significant issues facing the diocese. 

  7. Teresina October 16, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    To return to the Marty's post – reading through the comments of the LM Chairman again I found this gem:

    "There is, however, another kind of ideologization/ exploitation of the Mass in the Church today, that of liturgical abuses in the Novus Ordo. In most, if not all, cases, common abuses have a theological rationale which is at odds with the theology of the Church. For example, cramming the aisles with Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion has a theological motivation (in the minds of the ideological initiators of these things), namely an attempt to downplay the role of the priest; this is also achieved by many other abuses, such as that of having lay people receive communion in the sanctuary, or having the priest go into the nave all the time. Many abuses, similarly, downplay the Real Presence: I'm sure we can all think of examples. It seems to me that these are even better examples of 'ideologization' / 'exploitation' of the liturgy than those noted above, since they can be used to impose false theological ideas on the Faithful through the very ceremonies of the Mass, and not just over a cup of tea afterwards. It is not surprising that such abuses have been condemned so strongly by Bl Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict.

     

    If we are concerned, as we certainly should be, about the liturgy being utilised to convey an ideology at odds with the Faith, then we have to look very seriously at these abuses and, if we can, do something about them. As far as the Traditional Mass is concerned, the answer is again to have more and more of it, since its ceremonies tend to made clear precisely those things which the abusers want to obscure, and to teach precisely what the abusers want to deny, notably about the special role of the priest and the Real Presence, but also about the reality of sin, grace, transcendence, the role of art and beauty, and so on."

     

    http://www.lmschairman.org/2013/10/mystical-not-aesetic-response-to-pope_11.html

     

     

  8. Teresina October 18, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    Here is a comment from Guillaume Ferluc an organiser of the upcoming Summorum Pontificum pilgrimage to Rome on 24 to 27 October which ties in with Marty's link:

    "The “people of Summorum Pontificum”—that is, those who find the pre-conciliar liturgy, liberalized by Pope Benedict XVI with his 2007 motu proprio Summorum Pontificum, to be better suited to their spiritual needs—are fully mobilizing for a second pilgrimage to Rome, to take place October 24-27.

    Ferluc: We are convinced that the history of the Church did not end either in 1962 or with the pontificate of Pope Benedict. The new pontificate of Pope Francis is, perhaps, urging us to reflect on how the liturgy and tradition of the Church are not only for a small group, an elite, as is misunderstood by many.

    One could also argue, following the call of Pope Francis, that the traditional liturgy of the Church—with all its splendor which reveals to us the presence of God—is actually a liturgy that leads us to be humble. In the traditional liturgy, the actuosa participatio—active participation of the faithful—is a humble participation, made of silence, adoration, kneeling, supplication, thanks: many attitudes that are not so different from those of the man in trouble asking for help, of the person who is suffering.

    And let us not forget that among the great, holy priests were many simple parish priests, serving in the countryside and rural areas, in close contact with the lowest and most humble classes of the nation, [such as] St. John Vianney, Don Orione, or Padre Pio. Even if these holy priests celebrated liturgy with the greatest solemnity, it was always a liturgy involving everyone from the farmer to the housewife, people who had certainly not studied Latin at the Sorbonne or in whatever other schools of great repute, but who felt they were an integral part of this liturgy and this worship rendered to God."

    http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/2627/the_latin_mass_is_not_only_for_a_small_group_an_eliteit_leads_us_to_be_humble.aspx#.UmCW8RAmn1F