The Sunday Scrum

“Let nothing disturb you,
Let nothing frighten you,
All things are passing away:
God never changes.
Patience obtains all things.
Whoever has God lacks nothing;
God alone suffices.” 
Teresa of Ávila

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    1. bamac March 16, 2014 at 6:34 pm


      Many thanks for that beautiful quote …. right words at the right time for me ,

      God Bless

    2. Teresina March 17, 2014 at 10:01 am

      Cardinal Carlo Caffarra, Archbishop of Bologna, had the firmest possible words in an interview to Matteo Matzuzzi published this Saturday in Il Foglio:


      [Regarding Cardinal Walter Kasper's proposal on the possibility of readmitting to communion, after a period of penance, the couples of remarried divorcees who ask for it, following a period of penance, Caffarra says:] "If the Church admits [them] to the Eucharist, she must anyway grant a judgment of legitimacy to the second union. That is logical. But now – as I asked – what to make of the first matrimony? The second, it is said, cannot be a true second matrimony, considering that bigamy goes against the word of the Lord. What about the first one? Is it dissolved? But the Popes have always taught that the power of the Pope does not reach that point: the Pope has no power over a marriage that is ratum et consummatum. The proposed solution leads us to think that the first matrimony remains, but that there is also a second kind of cohabitation that the Church legitimizes. It is, therefore, an extramarital exercise of human sexuality that the Church legitimizes. But with this, the foundational pillar of the Church's doctrine on sexuality is negated.At this point, one could ask: so why are not free[extramarital or premarital] unions approved? And why not relations between homosexuals?" [Excerpt provided byTMNews Italy.]


      Cardinal Caffarra naturally got the fulcrum of the matter – indeed, the Kasper Doctrine means exactly that, the demolition in one fell swoop of the entire Catholic doctrinal edifice on human sexuality and the sacrament of matrimony. And that consequence is not at all a coincidence.


      MY COMMENTS:  Cardinal Caffarra is making clear to the pope and the upcoming synod the obvious. And he states it succinctly. And he also states the obvious that the more progressive element in the Church in line with liberal Protestantism wants to fundamentally change Scripture and Tradition as well as natural law to accomodate the political pressure upon the Church by powerful political lobbies.


    3. Teresina March 17, 2014 at 8:41 pm

      Rorate Caeli:

      "Now, used as he was to the diabolical hatred for the Latin Mass, the late Mario Palmaro (requiescat in pace) devised, during the several months of excruciating suffering and pain caused by the disease that led to his death, another way to ensure the pastor of the cathedral of his city, Monza, would "allow" his funeral Mass to be performed in the Traditional Roman Rite in the Duomo:

      "Mario Palmaro leaves a wife and four young children, yet in order to have a Catholic funeral he had to resort to a sort of ploy: while still alive he asked the pastor (archpriest) of [the Cathedral of] Monza, to have the Holy Catholic Mass (V.O.) [i.e. Vetus Ordo] celebrated at his death; the priest answered – 'no way.' But Mario had already written to the Mayor [for a permit], if the funeral were to be refused in the Church, that it be done by a Catholic priest (faithful to the Vetus Ordo) in the square [outside the cathedral]. And the Mayor gave his consent. So, faced with something that could have become a shameful scandal, the pastor had the Mass of All Ages celebrated inside the Cathedral in the presence of a deeply moved crowd." [Riscossa Cristiana, in Italian]


      A great friend of Rorate was present in the Duomo, and he tells us well over one thousand faithful attended the Funeral Mass. Palmaro acted based on experience: one of the first articles we published in translation here by Mario Palmaro and Alessandro Gnocchi was on the denial of the Traditional Funeral Mass for Alessandro Gnocchi's own father (Another traditional funeral Mass denied by a diocese, Nov. 11, 2011)"


      How shameful is that?

    4. Teresina March 17, 2014 at 9:06 pm

      Mario Palmaro – a staunch defender of the unborn and the Faith, RIP: 

      "Mario Palmaro's Last Essay — "Kasper's Speech is Made From the Stuff of White Flags"

      (Rome) "We do not need a Church that moves with the world, but a Church that moves the world." With these words, the legal philosopher Mario Palmaro quoted GK Chesterton a few days ago. On Sunday night, Mario Palmaro died after a long illness. Until the last moment, he remained a champion of his Catholic Church. On this occasion, we are publishing his last essay he wrote  together with Alessandro Gnocchi published on 5 March in the daily newspaper "Il Foglio".





    5. Werahiko March 18, 2014 at 9:01 am

      This is not so much a scrum as solo synchronised swimming. Only not so much fun.

    6. Abenader March 18, 2014 at 10:32 pm


      Again, it appears that the consecration was (not) done properly (as instructed by heaven).

    7. Teresina March 18, 2014 at 11:11 pm

      Thanks for that line, Abenader, it certainly hasn't been done to the extent that Russia was publicly mentioned and it seems that Russia is continuing to spread her errors throughout the world as Our Lady of Fatima said would happen.  Some have speculated that Pope Francis may be the Pope to do the consecration.

      On another note a friend told me that she had read that Bugnini had tried to change the rosary but that Pope Paul wouldn't allow it, Deo gratias.  Apparently he wanted to take out anything that wasn't scriptural in the rosary so the second part of the Hail Mary was to be removed. Like the Mass he didn't want anything to be repetitive so he wanted only one Our Father at the beginning of the rosary and I think just one decade of 10.  Anyway, my friend started reading up on Bugnini and it has opened her eyes at what happened with the Mass.

      This article I read is an interesting one, although I'm sure you're familar with it's content but the blogger has obtained  a copy of the book written by Bugnini The Reform of the Liturgy 1948 to 1975 – apparently copies are as scarce as hen's teeth.  But the comments he gives are quite an insight into Bugnini and why and how he developed the Mass the way he did.

    8. Teresina March 18, 2014 at 11:26 pm

      Abenader, this is an interesting comment from the blogger re Bugnini and the Novus Ordo Mass, which by the way he states:

      "Before I go further, this does not mean that I think that the New Mass is invalid or that God gave us a liturgy that is not capable of effecting the Eucharist. I can however argue that the New Mass does not convey the Catholic faith as clearly in its prayers and its celebration that the previous Latin Mass.

      "I have noticed that many in the Catholics today use the excuse that if the Novus Ordo was celebrated reverently, it would be the same as the previous Latin Mass. The fact is however, that the Novus Ordo was not built by the committees to be celebrated in uniformity, which is why it has never been celebrated in any kind of coherent uniformity since its inception. Bugnini tells us this clearly on page 42, "This principle represents a momentous departure from past practice. For centuries the Church willed that all worship in the Roman Rite should everywhere show perfect uniformity. The two liturgical reforms which history has recorded – that of the eighth century and that promoted by the Council of Trent in the sixteenth century- had precisely that aim… Social, religious, cultic and cultural considerations, and indeed the entire psychological climate, have changed radically in our day."  Bugnini goes on to say that now the centralization for governing the liturgy has been done away with and that the Council fathers did not want uniformity. This is of course the reality we have today in the practice of the Novus Ordo. He says there are now three legislating branches which deal with liturgical celebration. "The complete centralization effected by the Council of Trent now makes way, in matters liturgical, to three levels of authority: the Holy See, episcopal conferences, and diocesan bishops." There is no wonder then that we have the huge problem today of non-uniformity and liturgical abuse today with the Novus Ordo. When the liturgical creation of the Novus Ordo came about is had this decentralized non-uniformity ingrained into its DNA so to speak."

    9. Abenader March 19, 2014 at 12:27 pm


      I attend both masses. In both I receive Our Lord; Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. I agree with "I can however argue that the New Mass does not convey the Catholic faith as clearly in its prayers and its celebration that the previous Latin Mass".

      And things are not improving by any means. Holy Mass becomes more and more protestantised thus it is no surprise that many Catholics probably think that all 'churches' are (almost) the same.

    10. bamac March 19, 2014 at 1:04 pm

      Like you Abenader, I believe that I truly receive our Blessed Lord at both the NO and Latin Mass of old .  One of the things that I miss in the NO Holy Mass is the period of prayers that lead into the Eucharistic Consecration after the Gospel and sermon .  In the NO there seems no time at all after the homily before Father is reciting the prayers over the gifts of bread and wine and then into  the Consecration prayers …. maybe I am wrong but I feel that this has added to the lack of respect for Our Bklessed Lord's Eucharistic presence on the altar ( now so often refered to as tableand not altar) and in our Tabernacles.

      Thank you Teresina for your mention of Bugnini, like your friend I Googled him and was shocked with what I found … thank God he didn't manage to get his way with changing the Holy Rosary or the Allelulia..    Some years ago now I read up a lot that I could find about the Masons as my father had been involved with them at one stage in his life, with  their desire to destroy Catholic spirituality and liturgy  they would , it seems , have been very pleased with  Bugnini's efforts and partial success.

      St Joseph and St Michael , defend Holy Mother Church


      Mrs Mac

    11. Teresina March 19, 2014 at 1:41 pm

      I totally agree, Mrs Mac, and like you I attend both Masses – the Latin Mass when I can – and yes I agree that I find there isn't enough time after the sermon to recollect and get prepared for the consecration.  Quite often there will be a joke and your mind might be on that, and then all of a sudden we are at the consecration.  I think once or twice I have failed to even look up.  Eucharistic Prayer 1 is a longer prayer into the consecration but it is very rarely said.  It was said more often before the changes to the Roman Missal and so I don't know why it seems to been relegated to a back seat now, especially when the rest of the Eucharistic prayers are as Pope Benedict mentioned an on-the-spot development rather than something like Eucharistic Prayer 1 which has evolved over centuries.  I would think at least it should be said at Sunday Mass.  Cut out half the "hymns" instead and people would get away on time if that is their problem.

      I was shocked to think that even the Rosary was going to be tampered with by Bugnini but the Holy Spirit obviously had other ideas.  Yes, St Joseph's Feast Day today and he is the guardian of the Church.

    12. bamac March 19, 2014 at 2:31 pm


      You mentioned maybe doing away with the songs ( sorry but i can not think of most of them as hymns)  and that by doing that Holy Mass might finsh on time     Remember back in the days when every Holy Mass was the Latin Mass with just Father and the altar boys in the Sanctuary ?,     We were always out in time despite the fact that there was just Father himself distributing Holy Communion with one of the altar boys helping by putting the pattern under our chins ( in case a crumb was dropped from Father's fingers or from our tongue.)  as we received Our Blessed Lord at the altar rails ?  When Holy Mass was finished everyone left the church in silence  with an odd smile of recognition here or there…. those who wanted to could thus make thanksgiving without distraction..

      After Mass, before leaving the Sanctuary  , Father used to lead us in prayers as he knelt at the foot of the altar … prayers to Our Blessed Lady and to St Michael that He would protect Holy Mother Church  … all these were brushed aside when the changes came in ….. and yet some wonder why,  since those days,  the numbers at Holy Mass have kept on falling ?

      Shalom ,

      Mrs Mac
















    13. Teresina March 19, 2014 at 7:55 pm

      Mrs Mac, I have just come from such a Mass – exactly as you describe – it is amazing how you feel so at peace at that Mass – it is beautiful and not even a hymn or any Gregorian Chant.  It stands alone and apart and I always feel so much peace there.  I don't know if it would be too far away for you but there is a Latin Mass on the third Sunday of the month in the church at Devonport at 4.30pm said by Fr Bugler – it's a beautiful church too up Mt Elizabeth with tabernacle in the centre and all the Catholic features retained.

      By comparison – I don't know if you have seen this on Rorate Caeli – headed business as usual:

      Closing Mass for the Religious Education Congress of the Los Angeles Archdiocese, which took place from March 14 to 16 of this year. Making this Mass even more special was the presence not just of Cardinal Mahony — who had been barred from public duties for all of one day in 2013 before Archbishop Gomez had to retreat — but also of Cardinal Maradiaga, the powerful Coordinator of the Council of Cardinals.   


      Among other things: lots of dancing, a denuded altar-table for the duration of the "Liturgy of the Word", a glass plate for the main host, the wine consecrated while still in glass pitchers prominently distributed around the table, baskets for the hosts, the whole congregation singing the doxology at the end of the Eucharistic Prayer. Business as usual … and this year right in the presence of the one of the Holy Father's most influential advisers. 


      You can see the video here:


    14. bamac March 19, 2014 at 9:31 pm


      thank you for the mention of the Latin Mass at Devenport but it would be much too far for us now days  ( am glad to know that it is there once a month though)   a few yesrs back we used to make it to another parish where it was held once a month also  … our driveability has shrunk now but God has been good as always and all three priests in our parish are very reverent in the way that they celebrate Holy Mass  ( with the exception of the handing out of the Eucharist to the seemingly endless stream of extra-ordinary ministers .. to me it looks like organized bedlam  if you cansee what I mean!)


      Mrs Mac

    15. Teresina March 20, 2014 at 11:55 pm

      Mrs Mac, that is good to know you have three reverent priests – that is the most important thing and there are many Latin Masses on the internet which does help.  God bless …

    16. Teresina March 21, 2014 at 12:04 am

      I thought these were rather lovely thoughts from Professor Mario Palmaro who died recently.  This man has been a tireless fighter for the unborn and for the orthodoxy of the Church:

      "The first thing that shakes you up about sickness is that it hits us without any warning and at a time we do not decide. We are at the mercy of events, and we can do nothing but accept them. Grave illness obliges one to become aware that we are truly mortal; even if death is the most certain thing in the world, modern man tends to live as if he should never die.


      In sickness you understand for the first time that life on earth is but a breath, you recognize with bitterness that you have not made it that masterpiece of holiness God had wanted. You experience a profound nostalgia for the good that you could have done and for the bad that you could have avoided. You look at the Crucifix and you understand that this is the heart of the Faith; without sacrifice Catholicism wouldn’t exist. Then you thank God for having made you a Catholic, a “little ” Catholic, a sinner, but who has an attentive Mother in the Church. So, grave sickness is a time of grace, but often the vices and miseries that have accompanied us in life remain, or even increase [during it]. It is as if the agony has already begun, and there is a battle going on for the destiny of my soul, because nobody can be sure of their own salvation.


      On the other hand, this sickness has allowed me to discover a remarkable amount of people who love and pray for me; families who recite the rosary in the evening with their children for my recovery. I have no words to describe the beauty of this experience which is an anticipation of the love of God and eternity itself. The greatest suffering I experience is the idea of having to leave this world which I am so fond of and is so beautiful even if also so tragic; of having to leave many friends and relatives; but most of all, of having to leave my wife and children who are still at a tender age.


      Sometimes I imagine my home, my empty study, and the life that will continue there even if I am no longer present. It is a scene that hurts, but it is extremely realistic: it makes me realize what a useless servant I have been, and that all the books I have written, the conferences and articles, are nothing but straw. But my hope is in the mercy of the Lord, and in the fact that others will pick up part of my aspirations and battles and will continue on in “the ancient duel”."


      He also writes of the SSPX – of which he was never a member but his thoughts on this are quite lovely too:



      Even though I have never been part of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Pius (FSSPX) founded by Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre, I had the fortune of getting to know them firsthand a few years ago. Together with the journalist Alessandro Gnocchi, we decided to go and see this world with our own eyes, and to describe it in two books and some articles. I must say that many prejudices that I had held turned out to be unfounded; I met very good priests, nuns and brothers dedicated to a serious experience of Catholic life, graced with openness and cordiality. I was struck very favorably by the figure of Bishop Bernard Fellay, the Bishop who leads the FSSPX – a good man of great faith. We discovered a world of lay faithful and priests who pray every day for the Pope, even if they have placed themselves in a definitive position of being critical especially with regard to the liturgy, religious liberty and ecumenism. We saw many young people, many religious vocations, many “normal” Catholic families who frequent the Fraternity. Priests in their cassocks, while walking the streets of Paris or Rome, were stopped by people asking them for comfort and hope.


      We are well-acquainted with the polymorphism of the contemporary Church in the world, which is to say that nowadays calling yourself Catholic is not the same as following the same doctrine; heterodoxy is greatly diffused and there are nuns, priests and theologians who openly contest or deny portions of Catholic doctrine. For this reason, we asked ourselves: how is it possible that there is room for everyone in the Church except these brothers and sisters who are Catholic in every way and are absolutely faithful to 20 of all the 21 councils which have taken place in the course of Catholic history?"